tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post702237178035027814..comments2023-10-10T12:57:53.534+02:00Comments on Harry Hotspur: Tottenham Hotspur's Management: A Quick PollHarry Hotspurhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06022966118295832998noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-87382989472116530422007-09-19T17:54:00.000+02:002007-09-19T17:54:00.000+02:00I think the improved players bit is for the attent...I think the improved players bit is for the attention of "we were crap at man u" DATEDGRIPER <BR/><BR/><BR/>surely no offence thereSummerspurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09204872824645741577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-18787139219295023372007-09-19T16:15:00.000+02:002007-09-19T16:15:00.000+02:00JOLSGONEMENTALCarrick was taken from sub used by s...JOLSGONEMENTAL<BR/><BR/>Carrick was taken from sub used by santini to a decent player by jol, highly regarded by fergie. would you have fergie replaced by hughes?<BR/><BR/>Lennon owes a lot to jol. he had trouble settling in london and the big fella handled him well.<BR/><BR/>Keane has vastly improved and matured and has homed himself at spurs, not an easy task for someone who usually changes clubs when they change kits.<BR/><BR/>Dawsons progress has been a revelation, getting better every day.<BR/><BR/>Can of worms time here, but i think jenas is now better, not great, but better.<BR/><BR/>Your bitter overall view of jol is blurring your judgement on the team. look at the last line up with santini and the team now and if you can honestly say we are going backwards then .... well I'm beaten, their are sinister forces at work here.<BR/><BR/><BR/>the fellow yid daytripper regularly rapes the club with outlandish observations.Summerspurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09204872824645741577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-50962584417825835962007-09-19T09:52:00.000+02:002007-09-19T09:52:00.000+02:00I think the 'players not improving' argument again...I think the 'players not improving' argument against Jol is probably the most pertinent and worrying but without seeing another manager in charge it's difficult to know whether our manager is found wanting or some of the players have found their limits. Who's to say they won't get worse under a different manager?<BR/><BR/>Time will tell no doubt.ELhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11264932149781351329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-83326772964006628402007-09-19T09:47:00.000+02:002007-09-19T09:47:00.000+02:00Sweet JGM, I seem to have lost the momentum of thi...Sweet JGM, <BR/><BR/>I seem to have lost the momentum of this discussion. I began writing a response to your application for a pro Jol argument and realised that all the arguments have pretty much been made at some point on this blog by somebody or other and you've already stated that you haven't ever heard a good one. My view on the man therefor doesn't impress you, ie(inanutshell); he has taken a best of the rest team with a weak midfield to 5th spot twice running, the second year during which they had far more games to play and vastly improved on their previous cup record. All this with a regularly unbalanced side shows in my view a manager with tactical ability but squad problems. <BR/><BR/>I personally believe that there is not a manager out there who could take this squad into the top 4. I said during the summer that our chances of challenging for a CL place was largely dependent on getting two high quality midfielders. We haven't. I therefore don't believe we're capable of a challenge. Yes Jol doesn't always get it right but I'm certainly not convinced that hughes would do any better. I would happily welcome Ramos but feel that Jol deserves til christmas to sort it out. I'm no apologist for Big Martin. If we're not comfortably in the top half by 1st of jan with a Uefa cup spot looking an almost cert, his dismissal would be fine by me as this would constitute in my mind a definate backward slide.<BR/><BR/>What I don't wan't is a back to the drawing board situation just because of a bad first 6 games and because Jol has proved over two years to be very capable rather than exceptional. The past few years of improvement hasn't raised my expectations to silly levels or made me impatiently spoilt. I too have my limits however.<BR/><BR/>All the best,<BR/><BR/>Go on the Spurs!ELhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11264932149781351329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-17964056382469113502007-09-18T22:37:00.000+02:002007-09-18T22:37:00.000+02:00There is no need to call daytripper, a fellow yid,...There is no need to call daytripper, a fellow yid, a rapist - for no more than holding a more well rounded and informed opinion than your own.<BR/><BR/>And onto the answer to Daytrippers riddle: which player has improved most during Jols tenure.<BR/><BR/>it is, of course, Fredi Kanoute.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>sooo, what do i win?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-12475702486090919292007-09-18T21:06:00.000+02:002007-09-18T21:06:00.000+02:00SS - I'll assume you couldn't think of a player th...SS - I'll assume you couldn't think of a player that has improved under Jol, which is why you chose the childish putdown response instead?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-29001554821539252012007-09-18T20:42:00.000+02:002007-09-18T20:42:00.000+02:00JGM sucketh de cocketh. He'll never accept Jol, e...JGM sucketh de cocketh. He'll never accept Jol, even if he does the impossible and gets you CL footy this season. Ha ha ha ha ha...I just made my self laugh so much, I wet my pants.<BR/><BR/>ScoochAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-49285029982071378612007-09-18T18:41:00.000+02:002007-09-18T18:41:00.000+02:00el and park lane spurs, you speak wise words, I'm ...el and park lane spurs, you speak wise words, I'm staying in your gang in the playground.<BR/><BR/>jolsgonemental's new found celebrity status has caused him to loose what little grip he had on reality. expect an appearance on big brother, I'm mental get me out of here or ready steady cook any day now. <BR/><BR/>DATERAPER <BR/>at least JGM is funny, you just scare me. how long are you on earth for?Summerspurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09204872824645741577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-90753799046534741872007-09-18T11:44:00.000+02:002007-09-18T11:44:00.000+02:00I would like to point out a rather fitting bit of ...I would like to point out a rather fitting bit of commentary that featured in the video (thanks for posting Harry) created by Matsimpsk.<BR/><BR/>At around 3:10mins, you hear 'Here's Clive Allen...goal....he's gathered up the crumbs, yet again!'<BR/><BR/>The crumbs need gathering. A replacement needs finding.<BR/><BR/>But do we wait for the replacement before the inevitable happens? or do we make the changes now, bring Clive 'The Crumb Gatherer' in now and keep searching for a permanent replacement?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-10883190536130569072007-09-18T06:14:00.000+02:002007-09-18T06:14:00.000+02:00JGE - great points on Hughes. I see Moyes in exac...JGE - great points on Hughes. I see Moyes in exactly the same light too. Also, thanks for the great laughs tonight after a really f'd up day.<BR/><BR/>I'm thrilled that Jol has done such a great job finding this great young talent - it's just too bad that most every player he assumed or has added to our squad has become a worse player than when he came on board. <BR/><BR/>Besides Berbatov and Keane, can anybody name one player that is better now than 2 seasons ago? <BR/><BR/>Steed is a fragment of the player he was at Fulham. Zokora was supposed to be "the maestro", 1+ season later were still waiting for his first quality pass. Lee can't stop anybody dribbling at him anymore or make a clean tackle, and he still cant cross with his left foot. Lennon was unbelievable 2 seasons ago, last year we were all complaining, trying to figure out what happened to him. Dawson was supposed to be the next John Terry, but 2 seasons later he still doesn't get anywhere close to his marks. Jenas is still the exact same shitty player that cant pass, dribble or deliver a quality corner kick. And most importantly, our most promising and rock solid player 3 seasons ago, Robbo, is complete rubbish now and couldn't start for a League 1 team. <BR/><BR/>I don't want Jol to have the rest of the season to f*k this promising young team up anymore than he has.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-76214401689304476182007-09-17T23:51:00.000+02:002007-09-17T23:51:00.000+02:00JGM,You seem to only concentrate on the negative p...JGM,<BR/><BR/>You seem to only concentrate on the negative points. Granted, there are a lot of them. I agree about your points about a great squad being mismanaged, the debatable signing of Bent, but you're only looking at the negatives. And even though the negatives are outweighing the positives right now, let's look at some other facts. <BR/><BR/>Jol has put is in Europe twice. That's twice running = not fluke, correct? <BR/><BR/>We started badly last year with a lesser squad and came back.<BR/><BR/>You think we're sh*t now? What were you like previously when Francis, Santini, Hoddle, Pleat et al were in charge? You must have been pulling your hair out. We couldn't play football unless the other team didn't show up.<BR/><BR/>Subsequently, when did we have a team that was founded on such excellent talent, not just for now, but for the future? We have such excellent young prospects that if we do have a different manager next year he'll have Jol and Commoli to thank. They've secured our chances of potential future success by acquiring incredible assets. <BR/><BR/>We've dropped out of all the cups last year in a bad way - i agree. But who put us there? I'd rather we got to a quarter-final than not at all.<BR/><BR/>We missed out on Champions League football 2 seasons ago when it was in our own hands? But who gave us that chance? <BR/><BR/>Our recent short term success has triggered our board to consider the increased capacity of our stadium. <BR/><BR/>Look at our current squad, and the players Jol has brought in. Are they rubbish? No. You can say Bent is sh*t until you're blue in the face, but the fact is that he isn't. He scored more Premier League goals last year than Berbatov. And that was playing with relegated Charlton. He may not be playing like that at the moment, but you don't turn into Rasiak in one summer.<BR/><BR/>I agree that Jol's subs sometimes leave me needing a drink, and I wonder what goes on at the training ground, but constantly suggesting he should leave is depressing. It's been six games. Jol knows it's a mess, and Spurs will improve because this is a blip, a run of bad form and luck, added with injuries who are only just beginning to play again. <BR/><BR/>We'll push up the table. With Jol leading the attack.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-27657805730267608452007-09-17T22:20:00.000+02:002007-09-17T22:20:00.000+02:00yet to see a decent coherent argument for jol el.b...yet to see a decent coherent argument for jol el.<BR/><BR/>believe it or not I would give a reasoned argument fair consideration. <BR/><BR/>Please share with me, its not born out of sentimentality or a desperate hope that giving managers time brings success is it? Ferguson aside all of the top 4 managers achieved instant success.<BR/><BR/>As to Hughes, here is my logic. it is sound, and not based around a false logic of big name = success (see santini) which I hazard a guess you woukd propose judging by your hughes response?<BR/><BR/>Hughes has proven himself to be able to organise a team to defend when need be and to play some good football when on the attack. <BR/><BR/>players close down, know their job and do it. <BR/><BR/>I would put forward the notion that that is all our squad needs. ie direction and discipline. nothing fancy or groundbreaking.<BR/><BR/>we have a great squad (obviously Bent aside.) Watching them being mismanaged irks me no end. dealing with set pieces , closing players down and just basic shit like playing to the players strengths (lennon on the fucking left) is basic bread and butter stuff. that we cant do it is a crime.<BR/><BR/>if we could play to even the sum of our parts we would fly. My point beign we dont need a GREAT manager we just need a competent one. <BR/><BR/>Now if you have a decent argument lets hear it, dont hide behind psycho analysis bollocks because you cannot provide a decent response.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-8989100695772069442007-09-17T21:43:00.000+02:002007-09-17T21:43:00.000+02:00oh, h, you don't have to excuse yourself for not p...oh, h, you don't have to excuse yourself for not posting my comments<BR/><BR/><BR/>that doesn't stop the curse<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>ahahahah<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>NemesisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-85371676992888705772007-09-17T21:13:00.000+02:002007-09-17T21:13:00.000+02:00JGM you little monkey, I'm begining to wonder if y...JGM you little monkey, I'm begining to wonder if you're just on a wind up?<BR/><BR/>Some of your issues are 2 seasons old and have been much improved. And 5th place plus several quarter finals seems not to register with you as any sort of progress, so perhaps your expectations are racing ahead of the teams quality. Beating top 4 sides should be viewed as a challenge not an expectation, have you not seen our squad? If that's a big part of why you think Jol should go then maybe there should be mass redundancies throughout the prem.<BR/><BR/>Hughes??? Fcuk me, you're ambitious!ELhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11264932149781351329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-4941119579977559982007-09-17T19:46:00.000+02:002007-09-17T19:46:00.000+02:00JGM - 5.29Are you talking about Martin Jol's tenur...JGM - 5.29<BR/><BR/>Are you talking about Martin Jol's tenure or the last 15 years?<BR/><BR/>BuellerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-16389190635796896122007-09-17T19:44:00.000+02:002007-09-17T19:44:00.000+02:00I can't even be bothered to argue with you.I read ...I can't even be bothered to argue with you.<BR/><BR/>I read your post, sighed, sunk in my chair and one thought crossed my mind.<BR/><BR/>Probably never kicked a ball in his life.<BR/><BR/>I can't work out if you're 12 years old or just hopelessly dellusional. <BR/><BR/>BuellerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-5971209523837522882007-09-17T19:29:00.000+02:002007-09-17T19:29:00.000+02:00why get sentimental over a bloke who may appear ni...why get sentimental over a bloke who may appear nice on Tv but ultimately is not going to thank you for your support? he is not your 'mate'. he doesnt give a fuck about you. <BR/><BR/>facts.<BR/><BR/><BR/>We have walked away from 24 games against top 4 clubs with nothing to show for it but a sense of crushing disappointment.<BR/><BR/>We have been the victims of ridiculous capitulations more times than I care to remember. and thankfully they are generally against our biggest and most gloating rivals. joy.<BR/><BR/>ridiculous cup exits. <BR/><BR/>Victims of giant killings<BR/><BR/>being fucked over by 10 men at home<BR/><BR/>Bottling top 4 with abject negative displays against to name but one : Sunderland. who went on to be the crowned the worst Prem side ever that very year.<BR/><BR/>Literally shitting ourselves at West Ham to the amusement of every fucker in the world.<BR/><BR/>(in fact Has Jol ever beaten a Prem side in any cup?)<BR/><BR/>The plusses? The really good days? <BR/><BR/>that would be the one game then. a win against Chelsea. <BR/><BR/>ONE FUCKING GAME. <BR/><BR/>yeah cheers jol. these have been heady days indeed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-6860119694067077802007-09-17T18:51:00.000+02:002007-09-17T18:51:00.000+02:00Re:12.23anonGreat to see someone side-stepping the...Re:12.23anon<BR/><BR/>Great to see someone side-stepping the laughability of JGM and sticking the boot in. He's gotten away with far too much drivel recently and he's begining to sound like he enjoys being jolsgonemental more than being a Spurs fan. Come to think of it, he might even agree.<BR/><BR/>The result so far of Harry's poll shows that the anti-Jol brigade appear to be in the minority. I think this blog might be suffering from the 'local rag' effect. That's when the letters page of any small town newspaper gets more than its fair share of 'Colonel green biro i'm bloody well outraged at all this ninkompoopery so I'll take the opportunity to offload a lifesworth of anger at not getting my own way into this complaint' letters. These readers letters pages can make any small town appear to be populated largely by whinging extremists, but of course they're not, it's just that complainers tend to make the most noise.<BR/><BR/>When I saw that JGM reckoned on hughes as one of the potential replacements for Jol, that's when I realised he was all keyboard & no hard drive.<BR/><BR/>Come on the Jol!<BR/><BR/>Come on the Spurs!ELhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11264932149781351329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-30657405825077941652007-09-17T18:50:00.000+02:002007-09-17T18:50:00.000+02:00cant I see he is a good player?erm, no.he runs fas...cant I see he is a good player?<BR/><BR/>erm, no.<BR/><BR/>he runs fast.which is the best I can say about him.<BR/><BR/>other than that a bit of a headless chicken, with the control and touch of a small child.<BR/><BR/>imagine defoe, but really really crap.<BR/><BR/>or alternatively more to the point, imagine Chris Armstrong all over again.<BR/><BR/>lets get him out of our club, lets recoup some of that wasted money at the first opportunity and get a decent midfield. <BR/><BR/>darren fucking bent. we never learn do we. at least rasiak had the grace to look embarrassed we paid more than a handful of peanuts for him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-13663287267537993482007-09-17T18:40:00.000+02:002007-09-17T18:40:00.000+02:00Apologies for any unpublished comments this aftern...Apologies for any unpublished comments this afternoon................................................................Blogger.Harry Hotspurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06022966118295832998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-37481941497854763512007-09-17T17:20:00.000+02:002007-09-17T17:20:00.000+02:00No, my first name is Darren.Darren Bent.No, my first name is Darren.<BR/><BR/>Darren Bent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-32981360213024084642007-09-17T17:16:00.000+02:002007-09-17T17:16:00.000+02:00No need to apologise mate...It's an emotional busi...No need to apologise mate...<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>It's an emotional business.Harry Hotspurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06022966118295832998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-32358870444293409962007-09-17T17:14:00.001+02:002007-09-17T17:14:00.001+02:00is your first name Ferris?is your first name Ferris?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-29866044170444423532007-09-17T17:14:00.000+02:002007-09-17T17:14:00.000+02:00Harry,Yes he cost 16.5 million and yes he missed a...Harry,<BR/><BR/>Yes he cost 16.5 million and yes he missed an easy (ish) chance on Saturday. <BR/><BR/>I still don't think the childish, spoilt-brat tirade was necessarry. <BR/><BR/>Sorry for swearing on your excellent and humerous site. Always makes me laugh.<BR/><BR/>BuellerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23687321.post-29477675726098475612007-09-17T17:08:00.000+02:002007-09-17T17:08:00.000+02:00Bent cost 16.5 and he swung at the thing like a sp...Bent cost 16.5 and he swung at the thing like a spastic. Any harsh words are fair.<BR/><BR/>He'll probably score 3 next time out and we can get on with discussing who Levy'll sell him to.<BR/><BR/>Adebayor looked like an unleashed assassin.<BR/><BR/>Our lot were mostly 'confused' and 'a bit tired looking'.Harry Hotspurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06022966118295832998noreply@blogger.com